Fight of the Week

    • Okay, better start going through these...

      Ossuary wrote:

      BTW, while I generally tend to enjoy realistic fights more than CGI / jumpcut fests, those types of fights have their merit as well. The restaurant fight in Rise of the Legend, for example, is an absolutely amazing and highly entertaining fight, specifically because of the way it's cut together. The slow mo, the CGI swooshes of air from the weapon swings, the POV shot at the end - it's silly and stupid, but in the best possible way.



      Obviously you don't watch stuff like this if you're in the mood for realistic, well choreographed artistry, but if you just want a cool action scene that's cleverly enhanced by modern movie-making techniques, films like Rise of the Legend or Kung Fu Hustle can give you a lot of fun / stupid enjoyment. :)
      Oh yeah, this is a lot better. Technically and visually pretty impressive. Close-ups of fists and especially feet hitting the head are one of my biggest pet peevees unfortunately, and Asian martial arts flicks seem to love these. Cuts are still too rapid and camera is often too close to the action and shaky. Cool use of slow-mo this time. I don't get why movies always go way too over the top with the number of enemies. Fighting off five guys is impressive enough, why does there often need to be like 150 dudes? This would be a 7/10 for me.

      This is a classic. Not much to add. The directing especially is good, you can really see the kicks. It gets a bit too busy for my taste, though, with all the crowd scenes. Solid 7/10.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Ertzi ().

    • Blitzkind wrote:

      I would like to petition the commissioner to allow for an "entertainment" category.

      I would also like to submit the baseline for a perfect 10 in this category.


      Oh yeah, this. :D Holy shit, I had completely forgotten about this. Humor is highly subjective, of course, and I still expect a decent fight, even with all the shenanigans, which I don't get here. Too much sped-up moves again as well. Entertainment category is a good point though, and while such a thing doesn't exist, I love to laugh, so I would still give this a 8/10 for the Guile scene alone. I always crack up when that music hits and he looks so goddamn stupid with that haircut.

      Well, it's only fair that I put my sense of humor on the line as well. The following video is 10/10 when it comes to humor for me personally. I gotta explain it a bit I think. I am a huge fan of Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin (Silver Fang), and this clip makes fun of everything the series represents beautifully. You might need to be a fan to find this funny at all, and you probably shouldn't know Japanese. The humor is in the subtitles, which are definitely not accurate. Also, major spoilers for the ending!



      Random fact: Gin is translated as Hopeanuoli in Finnish, which directly translated means Silver Arrow.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Ertzi ().

    • This is a great fight. I have watched it many times. So many cool moves in there, like the blocking of an elbow strike by a friend. The music is awesome as well with the intense pumping. It is a bit too dark and sloppily edited though. Technical issues prevent a perfect ten for me.

      One other thing. Apparently the main baddie can't choke worth of shit, because if you really get the arm under the neck, an arterial choke takes like 5 - 7 second. Dude would have been out a long time ago, because he is not defending correctly (just flailing around). None of this matters at all though. 9/10.
    • Sneydar wrote:

      A most likely controversial additon to this thread:



      It's spoiler territory and the fight starts at 1:13.
      But why? While I enjoy martial arts and love movie fights, more often than not they feel staged and artificial, which is cool, don't get me wrong, but they don't get a response out of me that goes beyond "uh, nice." - least most of the time.

      This one is different for me, because it's two people on the brink of collapse because of exhaustion that try to kill each other with everything they got left at their disposal. It's not flashy and it doesn't seem to be very choreographed most of the time (even tho it obviously is), it's just extremly gritty and down to earth violence, which I enjoy very much. Is that weird? Maybe.
      And also the framing and camera work is absolutely insane, but it's a Lubezki-Inarritu-movie so that's a given.

      Also this one:

      The first entry is not controversial at all. Great pick. I completely understand, and you had very good reasoning why you chose this one. I actually do the same thing. I rate some fights solely based on their realism. You don't always need flashy choreography to make an impact. By the way, the bear scene in this movie is one of the few genuinely terrifying movie scenes I have seen in recent years. Simply because the bear seems to behave so naturally. It feels like a real bear, and it is a difficult scene to watch. That of course makes it great. :)

      This is one of those fights where I would easily give 10/10 for atmosphere and setting. I mean, look at that scenery! And you can bet your ass they were on location too. That was a hard, long shoot. Funny how you mention that it seems less choreographed, but we both know it is probably the most meticulously choreographed and rehearsed fight on this thread so far. I especially love the casual chopping off of the fingers in the beginning. Jesus. :D Solid 9/10.

      I love this thread, because I am constantly reminded of awesome fights. Your entry reminded me of a one that is pretty realistic and gritty. I will not embed it here, because it has full frontal nudity (from Viggo Mortensen!), but search "Eastern Promises sauna fight" on Youtube. 8)

      About your second video... Oldboy was one of the movies I was expecting, and this scene particularly. I think I'm in the minority in this, but I don't like the movie or this fight scene that much. They go for hyper realism with this scene, but there are just too many opponents. It makes no sense. Again, not a problem if they didn't try to sell it as realistic. Too many of the extras are clearly waiting for their turn as well. This is a super awesome scene for many, but not me. 6/10.
    • Ossuary wrote:

      Long takes are a special kind of awesome. The original Oldboy corridor scene is definitely amazing.

      I know it's not a "real" long take, because they hide some cuts in there when people get knocked off camera, but the "corridor" fight from season 1 of Netflix's Daredevil is pretty spectacular, too. You can really FEEL his weariness as the fight drags on. I have a special affection for fights like that, where the exhaustion is an actual factor.



      Gotta be honest... I haven't enjoyed the forums this much in about a year and a half. ;)
      Ha! No joke, this scene popped into my mind when I was replying to these posts. I had just written it down on my list. Great minds... :)

      Couldn't agree more about long takes. I automatically fall in love with directors who have the balls and ambition to attempt them. They are always incredible, even in crappy movies.

      Yeah, that is a pretty sweet fight. This time, the dull lighting just adds to the atmosphere. DD is in the seedy underbelly of Hell's Kitchen, and that corridor reflects that. The exhaustion factor is somewhat cool, but this scene is still nothing too special to me. When you take into account it was done with a tv show budget, it becomes amazing though. There couldn't have been money for too many takes to get it right. Still, I don't see too many cool moves or nothing that would elevate this into the upper echelon of fictional fights. 7/10.

      Now I just have to, though...

      Incredible long tracking shot from Goodfellas:



      Even more incredible long take from True Detective Season 1:




      Notice that the cameraman goes over the fence as well...


      Finally, super cool quasi long take scene from Children of Men (there are actually hidden cuts, but the scene is amazing):


    • Vastus wrote:

      Ossuary wrote:

      Gotta be honest... I haven't enjoyed the forums this much in about a year and a half.
      Me too.I'll add to the mix a fun fight scene mixed with guns I enjoyed from Equilibrium.
      youtube.com/watch?v=UoDKXozA0M4

      Edit: how do I embed the video within the post?
      Damn! Another one off my list. :) Equilibrium/Cubic is one of my favorite scifi movies. Gun Kata is seriously one of the coolest ideas ever in a movie. I want an entire movie about that! Also, Tetragrammaton Clerics might be the most badass name for an organization. You should watch this movie if you have not done so. I mean, look at this shit:



      You can embed things like this (just omit the spaces inside the brackets):

      [ media ]copy URL here[ /media ]

      The forums do the rest, if it's a valid address.
    • Phew... finally got through replying to the fine people who have posted on this thread. My turn. I present to you, Fight of the Week: The Eraia Edition. Only comical fights allowed!

      FIGHT: Johnny and Charlie Firpo against random bad guys on a yacht.

      MOVIE: Odds and Evens (originally Pari e dispari [1978]), director Sergio Corbucci

      I have hazy memories of my dad watching a movie, where two dudes were beating the crap out of random people, and laughing his ass off. I later found out the name of this legendary duo: Bud Spencer and Terence Hill. I was pretty shocked when I found out – much later – that these guys are actually Italian and all their movies are dubbed. Their movies are great light-hearted fun and always make me smile. Fortunately, they almost always have huge brawling scenes with pretty hilarious results.





      Setting/atmosphere 5 – None, but who cares. Just enjoy the silliness. I guess a casino yacht is a pretty cool place for a melee.


      Music 8 – The carneval music says it all. Fitting.


      Emotional Impact 0 – Absolutely none, naturally. I am not counting humor in this.

      Choreography 7 – No fancy technique, but I enjoy this for a completely different type of choreography.


      Technical Merits 9 – Actually pretty damn good. Everything comes across beautifully. I miss old school filmmaking... ;(


      Skill of Combatants 5 – These are no ninjas, but Terence is actually a pretty agile bastard.


      Finish 8 – The ending is pretty hilarious with the pile up.


      FINAL VERDICT: 7/10


      I have to rate this on a completely different scale than a serious fight. How entertaining is this? Everyone can judge for themselves, but I always get a kick out of Bud Spencer and Terence Hill. Their movies are just so innocently fun.
    • FIGHT: Turtles against The Foot Clan in a mall.

      MOVIE: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze (1991), director Michael Pressman

      I am an unashamed fan of the first two TMNT movies. There is no third one. I want to forget the third one. It was a simpler time, just put dudes in a costume and make them fight. None of this CGI crap of today. These movies are a thousand times better than the new live action ones. It's kinda annoying that the opening credits are over the action here, but what can you do.





      Setting/atmosphere 5 – Again, almost none, but who cares. Still, a mall is a pretty lame place to fight.


      Music 8 – Come on man! Who doesn't like this iconic track.


      Emotional Impact 0 – Absolutely none, again. This scene is pure comedy.

      Choreography 7 – I will count all the silly tricks in this, so decent.


      Technical Merits 9 – Great! I love the stupid sound effects here too.


      Skill of Combatants 9 – I don't know who is inside those costumes, but it is pretty damn impressive. Look how effortlessly they do all kinds of kicks and even jumping kicks. Now picture doing all that in a heavy rubber suit. Also, how do they manage to use their weapons with those fingers? Impressive. Most impressive.


      Finish 5 – The ending is super lame. The enemies just run away.


      FINAL VERDICT: 7/10


      I might be nostalgic, but I love the TMNT movies of the 90s. I am not objective, so I will always give these fights a high score.
    • FIGHT: Final fight between Chan and Alan in some weird warehouse.

      MOVIE: Gorgeous (1999), director Vincent Kok

      This one is for Eraia. Some Jackie Chan goodness. Jackie is clearly not in his prime here anymore, and his opponent actually has more impressive moves, but that doesn't matter one bit. This is still a pretty epic fight, with some funny vintage Jackie Chan situations throughout. This movie is pretty atrocious though.




      Setting/atmosphere 8 – I have no clue where they are (I'm not watching this film again, ever), but it looks like some kind of strange warehouse. Anyway, the lighting is enjoyably bright, and the tension is actually pretty good. They have fought before, and Chan lost that one. They have a cool rivalry throughout the movie, but they respect each other and will not use dirty tricks. That is kinda neat in itself. Also, bad guy in all-black, good guy in all-white. I see what you did there.


      Music 6 – Weird, but funny when they are both stunned.


      Emotional Impact 5 – I don't remember why they fight anymore, but this is the final showdown, and neither wants to lose.

      Choreography 10 – I love spinning combos, no matter how ineffective they are in real life. Brad Allan (Jackie's opponent) has that shit down beautifully. He also uses what I like to call "tip tap shit" (Kickboxer reference), which I am particularly fond of, although it is the most useless thing one can do. But it's cool as fuck, if you have the flexibility to pull it off.


      Technical Merits 7 – Has that Asian style again. Not a fan.


      Skill of Combatants 10 – Yeeeah... Jackie Chan and maybe his best student and the first non-Asian memeber of the famous Jackie Chan Stunt Team. Both have trained martial arts from childhood. They are kinda decent at this.


      Finish 8 – Sadly, this video cuts off just a bit before the end. If I remember correctly, the ending is pretty funny. Sorry, couldn't find a decent clip with the entire thing.


      FINAL VERDICT: 8/10

      Even though the Asian style of martial arts cinema is not my favorite, I have to respect the choreography and the length of the fight scene. They put in helluva lot of work. Too bad the movie itself is hot garbage.
    • Okay, that's interesting, because this is the first time I've heard the Oldboy scene referred to as hyperrealistic. :D That many of the extras are just waiting for their turn is part of the fun and part of the surealism of that scene. I think that this scene would work quite well in this weeks topic, even tho it's more the absurdist kind of fun. Or maybe that just my confirmation bias because the whole Park-Chan Wook filmography oozes of surealism,. My bad for putting that one nonchalantly under the Revenant just because it's a long take without elaborating on it, because they are not comperable at all I think.

      But yeah, that bear scene. That movie is one of the most immersive i've ever scene. The fingerchopping was the same as the bear when I first saw that film in theatres, it was just painful to watch, because they caught me completely off guard with that one. Probably the most elaborate dismembering I've seen in a movie.

      Also: that sauna scene is amazing. Thanks for that, I will watch the movie now. :D

      And regarding the theme of this week of fighting: Are fights allowed that are crafted so poorly that they are comical?
    • How the fuck did I just saw this thread now? Some muses and thoughts as I read through this thread:

      - As a Chinese, there was a time where I dislike Troy's style of fighting. Thanks Kismet(sad to think that I might not be thanking Her next year) I grew up and can appreciate all styles. Nowadays, I would replay a regular battle in Total Wars just to zoom in and see the soldiers fight and have much more appreciation for realistic(Ossuary's point is valid though) combat, especially when they are so rare in today's movies.

      - I actually did not see that TYG scene before. I mean, most on the YT are the heavier fight scenes that showcases the lethality of muay thai. It is indeed impressive as hell to do this kind of long shot.

      - (Trivia)Tony Jaa grew up watching HK action films and thought those are "wireless" and the HK stars are just that good. So, he trained himself to become this "wireless" flying kill machine and dude might just be only one in the world who could perform pseudo-wire-fu. Dude's a beast.

      - The Seagal's scene doesn't work for me as a sole fight scene. I'd probably appreciate in if I am watching the movie though, but taking it out and looking it at individually, it's just not my style. Still, this beats a lot of Hollywood fight scenes that make me think a monkey is holding the camera. I do like your explanation and I have a friend who did Aikido so I totally enjoy the second paragraph of yours.

      - (Trivia)The part in the Kill Zone scene where they slow down and "fence" against each other is actually uncheoreographed.

      - The RoTL scene I think I like the restaurant part more than the mob fighting part. Most recent Chinese Asian films just rely too much on special effect for my taste. It's like they now have the budget and tech to spam special effects and all they do are spamming them. I think the restaurant kill is well-put together but I don't care for all the shots of "water movement" in the mob fight.

      - I like Kung Fu Hustle because it (is done in a way that it is able to) connects worldwide. I think the Chinese are just too shy and/or unwilling to share their culture to the world. Just look at how the Korean entertainment industry have rised because they are willing to hit the international market. I think the Chinese and Japanese could try to do more of that.

      - There is actually a more ridiculous movie where they go full Street Fighters, City Cops(1993). You have Dhalsim, Ken, Ryu, Blanka, Chun-Li and more. It's on SF wikia. And here's a fight scene here. I am not embedding it because it's not my entry and it's really not that good outside of the ridiculousness. The movie is my childhood's memory though, its style is similar to the classic Stephen Chow of the 80s and 90s, which I totally enjoy.

      - More or less a reply to Ertzi. I think chokes take longer in the moviesphere because the visual of it(be it if the person dies slowly or be saved by someone else) is more important than the realism. I am used to that though since I used to watch wrestling(the WWE kind) and one can choke someone for minutes, usually in the wrong position or with wrong techniques too as to not accidentally hurt the receiver. I watch MMA too. They both offer me different thing.

      - I skipped The Revenant and Oldboy because I intend to watch those movies in the future.

      - For the Daredevil scene, I personally dislike the "cop out". I mean, I like the visaul effect of the person hitting the door by 52 seconds but I am more interested in what's happening in the room, especially with a shotgun in the play for the villains. Not showing everything in the room and making the protagonist wins just make me think you just can't explain how he achieve that and that is a cop out to me.

      - Did a google search on Equilibrium and I am interested, so skipping that scene too.

      - That Odds and Evens scene is pretty funny. I really like their usage of the props and the setting into the scene. It's a very "Jackie" way of design which I am used to. Also, it's rare to see the big tanky type as a protagonist in Chinese martial art movies. One can argue Sammo Hung but dude is also a finesse fighter in most movies, just bigger sized. Seeing Bud Spencer tanking hits and smashing everyone is fun.

      - Holy shit, TMNT movies are also my sweet childhood memory. Also, I liked the third one as a child so screw you Ertzi, it exists! For the scene, I actually like how the credit intereact with the moves. I think fighting in costumes is a long lost art nowadays and I have nothing but respect to the stuntmen of that era. I have watched a making of Ultraman long time ago and the stuntmen have to take a break once 15-30 minutes because of how hot it is.

      - That reason why Gorgeous is horrible because it's an abomination of idea to begin with. If you watch any of the Jackie Chan's recent interview in any talk show, you will see him talking about branching out of action movies. Well, guess what, this is actually his first attempt at doing that. He is the executive producer and one of the writer, so damn right he can influence stuffs. He wanted to do a full romance movie but at the same time, he is scared that no one would watch this shit if he didn't include any action. So, he tried to put romance at first and add it a little bit of action, sounds workable in theory. However, what you get is a movie that has romance no better than any other non-romance genre movies and action scenes better than your typical romance film but seriously, who gives a crap about actions in romance films? The girl, Shu Qi, is actually more of a Kate Winslet(probably a lot of better comparison, but I don't know a hell lot of Hollywood actors) type who primarily do romance and drama films. You can see that Jackie is serious about this being a romance film for casting her. But yeah, the idea doesn't work as planned. Shinjuku Incident is a better film that cast Jackie Chan in a more dramatic role.

      - As for the Asian close-up, it's actually a style used since the 80s in Hong Kong. HK cinema has fallen nowadays but China hired all of them for their action films so you get the same thing. Taiwan, Mainland China and Hong Kong films have their own style and differences but not martial art film. Mainland China doesn't have their own domestic backstage crew that are great in this kind of film so they can't come up with a different style, which is sad to me. Here's an explanation of it: (If it doesn't start you at 5:27, drag to there)

      - As for the mob size, I think most people would use that as a basis of how good the protagonist is. 5 isn't as impressive as 150 and it's not like most people give a crap about logic when watching these kind of movies.
    • (Have to double post because of the 10,000 characters limit)

      Now, for my entries:



      My favorite Jackie Chan's fight. Awesome display of techniques from both sides - Ken Lo's chain kicks are awesome and the drunken boxing here is the best I have seen on-screen - with good pacing and clear cuts. The only thing I don't like is the finishing. Also, one interesting fact is that Jackie's character went retard in the original un-cut version for drinking too much industry-level alcohol in the last fight. The removed that in the international version and the credit rolls after the fight from what I read. One message of this film is that excessive drinking is bad. Jackie's character is forbide from drinking alcohol by his father and when he did drink, the ending was bad.



      I just happened to walk into this fight searching for scenes on a Chinese streaming site. I wanted to watch the Samurai X movies but didn't get to so far so I am sort of spoiling myself out of this way. Either way, I like samurai-themed movies and there's not a lot of them with long duel. I can totally understand that though and their classical style of samurai duel. Since this is an anime/manga adaptation and they are very loyal to the source, we get longer duels like this one. I am just curious of your opinion and there are no Japanese entry so far, time to diversify.

      I think the most impressive thing the Japanese do with their real action adaptation is that they always execute the moves like in the original, no matter how ridiculous it is. I have not watched the Samurai X anime(or I will probably get more mileage out of this fight) and this is just from reading the YT comments(which is not the most trustworthy source), but from what I have seen from Japan in the past, I can believe what they said. I have watched the film adaptation of Yakuza and it brought a lot of the game mechanism right onto the screen and throws plain logic away.

      I think the Chinese is worst in this department. Hollywood can bring superheroes moves into the big screen and make it awesome, Japanese has also found their way to do so and Chinese...really didn't. The Chinese can perform any style as long as it exists in real world, tai chi, wing chun and so on but they cannot recreate the "fantasy styles" used in wuxia fiction or hong kong manga, which to me is the equivalent of superheroes in Chinese. They either use the same old real world styles and masks it as the fantasy style or they just go full CG, which is fine though if they can represent the moves right, but they don't always get the essence of those moves. Kung Fu Hustle does that pretty well though, I have to give them that. The only nitpick I have is the toad move. The toad move, as it is originally written, is a passive move that waits(and hopes) for the opponent to attack first then strike back with all the gathered force so it's a "hard" way of sending force from opponent back to himself and different from the "soft" way like tai chi and aikido which utilize direction of force elegantly. In their defense though, they have to consider being simple and be impressive visually, so it's merely a nitpick.



      For the final entry of the day, an animated fight scene! I put this mainly because I am interested in your opinion and how you rate an animated fight scene. Also, this one is as "pure" as it can be in a media form that have a lot of world-destroying moves, laser beam, elemental attacks and so on. Not like those are bad though. Animation allows imagination to run wild without physical limitation and is probably the best medium for cool high-powered fights unless you want to splash money and a lot of times on full CGI. Nitpick: They should have gotten someone who knew Chinese for the villain, his Chinese has a strong Japanese accent.
    • Sneydar wrote:

      And regarding the theme of this week of fighting: Are fights allowed that are crafted so poorly that they are comical?
      There is no theme. That was just my feeble attempt to be funny. Anyone can post any fight they want at any time. I would really appreciate some explanation why the poster likes the fight scene though. :)

      Goliathus wrote:

      - (Trivia)Tony Jaa grew up watching HK action films and thought those are "wireless" and the HK stars are just that good. So, he trained himself to become this "wireless" flying kill machine and dude might just be only one in the world who could perform pseudo-wire-fu. Dude's a beast.
      This is fascinating. I did not know that. Love how naïve Jaa was younger, if he really thought those moves were real. :D

      Goliathus wrote:

      - That reason why Gorgeous is horrible because it's an abomination of idea to begin with. If you watch any of the Jackie Chan's recent interview in any talk show, you will see him talking about branching out of action movies. Well, guess what, this is actually his first attempt at doing that. He is the executive producer and one of the writer, so damn right he can influence stuffs. He wanted to do a full romance movie but at the same time, he is scared that no one would watch this shit if he didn't include any action. So, he tried to put romance at first and add it a little bit of action, sounds workable in theory. However, what you get is a movie that has romance no better than any other non-romance genre movies and action scenes better than your typical romance film but seriously, who gives a crap about actions in romance films? The girl, Shu Qi, is actually more of a Kate Winslet(probably a lot of better comparison, but I don't know a hell lot of Hollywood actors) type who primarily do romance and drama films. You can see that Jackie is serious about this being a romance film for casting her. But yeah, the idea doesn't work as planned.
      This explains a lot. Somebody needed to tell Jackie Chan that his real talent is not in fact writing. Or singing, but that is another matter.
    • Goliathus wrote:

      (Have to double post because of the 10,000 characters limit)

      Now, for my entries:



      My favorite Jackie Chan's fight. Awesome display of techniques from both sides - Ken Lo's chain kicks are awesome and the drunken boxing here is the best I have seen on-screen - with good pacing and clear cuts. The only thing I don't like is the finishing. Also, one interesting fact is that Jackie's character went retard in the original un-cut version for drinking too much industry-level alcohol in the last fight. The removed that in the international version and the credit rolls after the fight from what I read. One message of this film is that excessive drinking is bad. Jackie's character is forbide from drinking alcohol by his father and when he did drink, the ending was bad.



      I just happened to walk into this fight searching for scenes on a Chinese streaming site. I wanted to watch the Samurai X movies but didn't get to so far so I am sort of spoiling myself out of this way. Either way, I like samurai-themed movies and there's not a lot of them with long duel. I can totally understand that though and their classical style of samurai duel. Since this is an anime/manga adaptation and they are very loyal to the source, we get longer duels like this one. I am just curious of your opinion and there are no Japanese entry so far, time to diversify.

      I think the most impressive thing the Japanese do with their real action adaptation is that they always execute the moves like in the original, no matter how ridiculous it is. I have not watched the Samurai X anime(or I will probably get more mileage out of this fight) and this is just from reading the YT comments(which is not the most trustworthy source), but from what I have seen from Japan in the past, I can believe what they said. I have watched the film adaptation of Yakuza and it brought a lot of the game mechanism right onto the screen and throws plain logic away.

      I think the Chinese is worst in this department. Hollywood can bring superheroes moves into the big screen and make it awesome, Japanese has also found their way to do so and Chinese...really didn't. The Chinese can perform any style as long as it exists in real world, tai chi, wing chun and so on but they cannot recreate the "fantasy styles" used in wuxia fiction or hong kong manga, which to me is the equivalent of superheroes in Chinese. They either use the same old real world styles and masks it as the fantasy style or they just go full CG, which is fine though if they can represent the moves right, but they don't always get the essence of those moves. Kung Fu Hustle does that pretty well though, I have to give them that. The only nitpick I have is the toad move. The toad move, as it is originally written, is a passive move that waits(and hopes) for the opponent to attack first then strike back with all the gathered force so it's a "hard" way of sending force from opponent back to himself and different from the "soft" way like tai chi and aikido which utilize direction of force elegantly. In their defense though, they have to consider being simple and be impressive visually, so it's merely a nitpick.



      For the final entry of the day, an animated fight scene! I put this mainly because I am interested in your opinion and how you rate an animated fight scene. Also, this one is as "pure" as it can be in a media form that have a lot of world-destroying moves, laser beam, elemental attacks and so on. Not like those are bad though. Animation allows imagination to run wild without physical limitation and is probably the best medium for cool high-powered fights unless you want to splash money and a lot of times on full CGI. Nitpick: They should have gotten someone who knew Chinese for the villain, his Chinese has a strong Japanese accent.
      He heee. That Jackie Chan fight is one of my favorite fights of all time. It would have been on my entry this week. :) Nothing to add really, it's pretty obvious why this will stand the test of time. 9/10

      That Kenshi fight was the second new fight in this thread to me, so I watched it twice in a row. Pretty cool! It has that Asian style again, which I can never truly love (just a built-in stylistic preference), but there are some really nice things in this scene. I love the movement, kinetic energy and overall ferociousness of the scene. The music is really sweet. I dig the badass behind-the-back block, which reminds me of a certain dark elf because the blades are crossed... Too much shaky cam though. Still, very interesting new fight to witness. 8/10

      As a side note, it is clear to me that you know a lot about manga/anime, and I don't (I do watch some anime from time to time), so this fight might be a lot more impressive if I knew the source material. For now, I had to rate it for only its own merits.

      The anime fight has pretty much perfect music for an epic final fight, and the emotional build-up is excellent. As a stand-alone fight I'm not a fan though. Too hectic. Not enough frames in the animation (or whatever the heck they are called, but I mean that it is not very smooth). I bet I would love that movie though. :)
    • FIGHT: Zen against a dojo full of bad guys.

      MOVIE: Chocolate (2008), director Prachya Pinkaew

      I swear, my intention was to post one fight a week on Fridays. But I just CAN'T HELP MYSELF.

      I believe somebody mentioned diversity? Let's get some women on this train! If you love martial arts movies, do yourself a favor and watch this film. The premise is basically that an autistic girl can imitate anything she sees, and she learns to fight by watching martial arts movies. In this scene, she comes against an opponent with some kind of fighting Tourettes (relax, it's a movie) and has to adapt. If the name of the director sounds familiar, he's the same guy who directed Tony Jaa in Ong bak. Dude knows how to film a fight scene. Also, MC Hammer pants.




      Setting/atmosphere 5 – I'm starting to think I should remove this category, as I'm realizing I don't remember many of these movies that well anymore. Except the fight scene. Well, it's a dojo, they fight. Meh.


      Music 8 – No music at first, but for some reason I like the theme that hits when Zen starts to kick the other guy's ass. It's sort of empowering.


      Emotional Impact 5 – I don't remember why they fight anymore, but the fight itself doesn't really hold strong emotions to me.

      Choreography 9 – All sorts of bone-breaking goodness. I especially love when she rolls over the already-downed guys to give them some extra knee and elbow care. Very creative. Sweet blocks and combos. Random slow-mos. Just good stuff all around.


      Technical Merits 9 – Good steady lighting, good angles to appreciate the technique. Solid action directing.


      Skill of Combatants 9 – JeeJa Yanin is flexible, fast and agile and knows her Muay Thai. My only gripe is that the hits don't always look very impactful, but this is a move after all. Also, MC Hammer pants.


      Finish 5 – I actually don't like over-choreographed finishes. Just break his neck or something, why do a triple-spin jumping split kick to the face?


      FINAL VERDICT: 8/10

      I actually love badass women on screen more than I love badass men, because it's much more rare to see. In contrast, I hate fake tough women on screen more than anything. By that I mean performances that are not believable. Case in point, everything Michelle Rodriguez does. An example when it's done well would be Selene (Kate Beckinsale) from the Underworld franchise. The first movie is my guilty pleasure because I love Beckinsale in that role. For this reason, I especially hunt for good female martial arts scenes. I have some more coming, but goddamn I am supposed to be at work again.
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      Goliathus wrote:

      (Have to double post because of the 10,000 characters limit)

      Now, for my entries:





      I just happened to walk into this fight searching for scenes on a Chinese streaming site. I wanted to watch the Samurai X movies but didn't get to so far so I am sort of spoiling myself out of this way. Either way, I like samurai-themed movies and there's not a lot of them with long duel. I can totally understand that though and their classical style of samurai duel. Since this is an anime/manga adaptation and they are very loyal to the source, we get longer duels like this one. I am just curious of your opinion and there are no Japanese entry so far, time to diversify.

      I really wanted to post the Kenshin v. Saito fight or even the kenshin v. Sojiro, but I don't think they would translate well into a short fight scene as they are long, almost episode-long fights. I haven't seen them in ages. I still need to see the live action movie...